The Great Debate Of Ibn Abbaas With The Khawaarij – Shaykh Al-Albaanee

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The Great Debate of Ibn ‘Abbās with the Khawārij1

Source: al-Silsilah al-Ṣaḥīḥah (5/12-13) by al-Albānī
Translator: Abbas Abu Yahya
The Debate

(Ibn ‘Abbās narrated:)
When the Harūriyyah (the Khawārij) rebelled, they isolated themselves in a place. There were 6000 of them and they were united in rebelling against ‘Alī. Continuously people would come to ‘Alī and say, “Oh Leader of the Believers, verily these people are rebelling against you.”
He would reply, “Leave them, verily I will not fight them until they fight me and that is what they will do.”
So when it came to that day, I came to ‘Alī before the noon prayer and I said to him, “Oh Leader of the Believers, delay the prayer until it is cooler perhaps I will speak to these people.”
He said: “Verily, I fear for you.”
I said, “Never! I used to be known as a man of good manners, I never harmed anyone.”
He gave me permission to go. So, I put on a very nice garment, the best of what one could get from Yemen and I combed my hair. Then, I visited them at midday while they were eating.
I had entered upon a people, the likes of whom I had never seen with regards to their exertion in worship. Their foreheads were wounded due to (constant) prostration (in prayer) and their hands had become rough like camels’ feet, wearing recently washed, untidy shirts with very high raised clothing and with tired and worn out faces [due to not caring for themselves].
So, I greeted them and they said, “Welcome, oh son of Abbās! And what is this cloak you are wearing?”
I asked, “What deficiency do you see from me? Indeed, I saw the messenger of Allah (سبحانه و تعالى) dressed in the best of what you can find in Yemeni clothing, then I recited this verse

قُلْ مَنْ حَرَّمَ زِينَةَ اللَّهِ الَّتِي أَخْرَجَ لِعِبَادِهِ وَالطَّيِّبَاتِ مِنَ الرِّزْقِ

Say, “Who has forbidden the adornment of Allah which He has produced for His servants and the good things of provision?” [Sūrah al-A’rāf, 7:32]

Then they asked, “What has brought you here?”
I told them, “I have come to you from amongst the companions of the prophet ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) – the Muhājirūn and the Anṣār and from the son of the uncle of the prophet ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) (‘Alī), who is his son-in-law. And upon them descended the Quran; they are more knowledgeable about it than you and there is not one of them (the companions) amongst you. I have come to convey to you what they say, and to convey to them what you say.”
A group amongst them said, “Do not debate with the Quraysh because verily Allah, ( عزَّوجلّ ) says:

بَلْ هُمْ قَوْمٌ خَصِمُونَ

Nay! But they are a quarrelsome people. [Sūrah al-Zukhruf, 43:58]

Then a group of them turned towards me and two or three of them said: “Verily, we will speak to him.”
So I said, “Come forward, what is the grudge you have against the companions of the Allah’s messenger and the son of his uncle (‘Alī)?”
They answered, “Three points.”
I asked, “And what are they?”
They said, “One of the points is that he (‘Alī) had men judge in a matter of Allah while Allah says:

إِنِ الْحُكْمُ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ

The judgment is for none but Allah.
[Sūrah al-Anā’m, 6:57 and Sūrah Yūsuf, 12:40, 67]

“What have men got to do with the judgment?”
I said, “This is one point.”
They said, “As for the second point, then he fought and he did not take captives nor did he take the war booty. If they were disbelievers, then their captives are permissible for us and if they were believers then their captives are neither permissible to take nor was it allowed to fight them (in the first place).”
I said, “This is the second point, and what is the third point?” Or he said something similar.
They said, “He should remove the title of ‘Leader of the Believers’ (Amīr al-Mu’minīn) and if he is not the ‘Leader of the Believers’ then he is the ‘Leader of the Disbelievers’ (Amīr al-Kāfirīn).”
I asked, “Do you have any points other than these?”
They replied, “These are sufficient for us.”
I said to them, “Do you understand that if I read to you from the book of Allah ( عزَّوجلّ ) and from the Sunnah of His prophet ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) that which refutes what you say, will you then return (back)?”
They said, “Yes.”
I said: “As for your statement that ‘Alī had men judge in a matter that was for Allah; then I will read to you from the book of Allah, where Allah has delegated His judgment to men regarding the eighth of a quarter of a dirham. Allah ( تبارك و تعالى ) commanded the people to judge in this matter.
Do you not understand the saying of Allah ( تبارك و تعالى ):

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَقْتُلُوا الصَّيْدَ وَأَنتُمْ حُرُمٌ ۚ وَمَن قَتَلَهُ مِنكُم مُّتَعَمِّدًا فَجَزَاءٌ مِّثْلُ مَا قَتَلَ مِنَ النَّعَمِ يَحْكُمُ بِهِ ذَوَا عَدْلٍ مِّنكُمْ

Oh you who believe, do not kill the game while you are in a state of Iḥrām, and whosoever of you kills it intentionally, then the penalty is an offering equivalent to the one he killed, as judged by two just men among you. [Sūrah al-Mā`idah, 5:95]

And it is from the judgment of Allah that He delegated men to judge in this matter. If Allah willed, He could have judged in this matter but He allowed men to judge.
I ask you by Allah, is it better that men judge in something regarding reconciliation in disputes and in preventing bloodshed or regarding the hunting of a rabbit?”
They said, “Of course, this is better.”
“And regarding a woman and her husband (Allah says):

وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ شِقَاقَ بَيْنِهِمَا فَابْعَثُوا حَكَمًا مِّنْ أَهْلِهِ وَحَكَمًا مِّنْ أَهْلِهَا

If you fear a breach between the husband and wife, appoint two arbitrators: one from his family and the other from hers.
[Sūrah al-Nisā’, 4:35]

“Is not men judging in reconciling disputes and in the prevention of bloodshed better than men judging regarding the private parts of a woman? Have we finished with this point?”
They replied, “Yes.”
I said, “As for your statement, ‘He fought but did not take captives and did not take war booty,’ then would you take your mother (in Islam), Ā’ishah, as a captive, making her permissible for yourselves for that which you make permissible from other than her while she is your mother? If you say, ‘We make permissible from her that which we make permissible from other than her,’ then you have committed disbelief. And if you say, “She is not our mother,” then you have also committed disbelief:

النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَىٰ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ ۖ وَأَزْوَاجُهُ أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ

The prophet is closer to the believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. [Sūrah al-Aḥzāb, 33:6]

“And so you are between the two ill judgments. So, which of them do you want to take? Have we finished with this point?”
They replied, “Yes.”
“As for ‘Alī removing the title of ‘Leader of Believers’, then I will give you something that will please you; verily, the prophet of Allah contracted an agreement with the Mushrikīn (the disbelievers of Quraysh) on the Day of Hudaybiyyah, and the prophet ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) said to ‘Alī:

Write, oh ‘Alī: This is what Muhammad, the messenger of Allah, agrees with.

They, the Mushrikīn, said, ‘If we knew you to be the messenger of Allah, we would not have fought you.’ So the messenger of Allah ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) said:

Oh Allah, indeed You know that I am Your messenger. Erase it, ‘Alī, and write: This is what Muhammad Ibn ‘Abd Allah agrees upon.

“I swear by Allah that the messenger of Allah ( صلى الله عليه وسلم ) is better than ‘Alī and even he erased his own name, and erasing his name does not erase his prophet-hood. Have we finished with this point?”
They said, “Yes.”
So 2,000 of them came back while the rest of them rebelled and fought, based upon their misguidance, and the Muhājirūn and Anṣār fought them.2

The Reference for this Narration

Narrated by al-Dārimī in his Sunan (1/68-69) and by Baḥshal in: Tarīkh Waṣīt. This narration is reported on the authority of ‘Amr Ibn Salmá and authenticated by al-Albānī.
There are other narrations of this story. It has been narrated by Abd Allah Ibn Aḥmad in: Zawā’id al-Zuhūd, (p.428) and by Abū Naī’m in: Ḥilyat al-Awliyyāt, (4/380-381). Also recorded by al-Ṭabrānī in: al-Kabīr, (9/125-126) and by ‘Abd al-Razzāq in: al-Muṣṣannaf, (5409). al-Ḥaythamī narrated it in: Mu’jam al-Zawā`id, (1/181).
As for the narration of ‘Abd al-Razzāq and al-Ṭabrānī, it has been authenticated by al- Ḥaythamī in: Mu’jam al-Zawā’id, (1/181).
The narration of Abū Naī’m in al-Ḥilyat was reported on the authority of Abū Za’rā.
This story has many other narrations in al-Kabīr and some of them were authenticated by al-Ḥaythamī.


1 Taken from al-Silsilah al-Ṣaḥīḥah (5/12-13) by al-Albānī and Munaẓẓarāt a’immat al-Salaf, p.89- 91.
2 Recorded by ‘Abd al-Razzāq in his book: al-Muṣṣannaf (18678), Aḥmad (1/243), al-Hākim (2/150- 152), Ibn Abd al-Barr in his Jām’’ Bayān ‘Ulūm (2/962-964/ 1834) and others.